From: "Dave Plowman (News)" 
Subject: Re: Toyota servicing could have killed me.  Can I get a refund?
Newsgroups: uk.legal uk.finance uk.rec.cars.maintenance
Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:16:17 +0000 (GMT)
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In article <5rndimF159eujU1@mid.individual.net>,
   David Hearn  wrote:
> > Perhaps I'm naive, but I'd expect both a main dealer to torque the
> > wheel fixings correctly and the maker's wrench to be able to undo them
> > if this is the case.

> I'd agree to your first point, but not necessarily with your second 
> point.  I wouldn't say with any certainty that a supplied wrench would 
> work with the torque the manufacturer specified. 

Not really much point in providing one, then, or a jack and spare wheel? 

> Typically they're so 
> short that the force required to remove the nuts is too high.

You stand on them?

>  I have a cross-bar wrench which, when using both ends to undo a
> correctly torqued nut, can even then be quite difficult.  The supplied
> wrench is about 1/2 the cross wrench size - about the length of one of
> the arms.  If the cross one is difficult, would one half the length
> would be impossible!

Most wheel fixings are of the order of 60-100 lb.ft. Most supplied wheel
braces are about 1 ft long. Standing on it should move the fixing. Not the
ideal way to do it but it would be an emergency.

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