From: "Ivor Jones" 
Newsgroups: uk.adverts.computer uk.finance uk.people.consumers.ebay uk.telecom.broadband uk.telecom.mobile
Subject: Re: Whoops.. Don't forget to put the clocks back
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:48:01 +0100



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> Thus spaketh Ivor Jones:
> > "{{{{{Welcome}}}}}" 
> > wrote in message
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> >
> > > I want the extra hour an the evening not in the
> > > morning, which was what I said, I fully understand
> > > the amount of light in any 23hr 56 minutes will be
> > > the same whether our clocks are on GMT,BST, CET or
> > > CEST.  That's not the point, because we live our time
> > > around a clock I'd rather have the clocks moved to
> > > provider more light at night than in the morning.
> >
> > So change working hours not clocks.
> >
>
> I can't, that my hours for my Job, it's not one or two
> weeks at those hours, it's every week of the year.

But your job terms can be changed so that you work 8 to 4 in the winter 
instead of 9 to 5.

> > > > That "extra" hour you want in the evening is there,
> > > > but it's in the morning, while you're lying in bed.
> > > > Get up earlier and go to bed earlier; start
> > > > school/work at 8 instead of 9 or whatever it is.
> > > > Problem solved.
> > >
> > > I come in from work at 05:00 during the summer this is
> > > light, during the winter it is dark, so to me moving
> > > the clocks forward and hour will have little affect
> > > on my coming home from work.
> >
> > I work shifts as well, but I don't see the difference
> > between working 8 to 4 instead of 9 to 5. It's not that
> > great a leap, surely..?
>
> But I have to work 21:00 - 05:00.  That's my job.

So your hours are changed from 2000 - 0400.

>  The
> computers I have to work on are already listed by my
> manager who works 09:00 - 17:00, but even if I was to
> turn up at 20:00 I can't swipe out until 04:45 at the
> earliest and security are told not to allow anyone off
> site until 04:45 at the earliest.

Computers can be reprogrammed.

>  We get paid for
> working extra hours past our usual hours, but not for
> hours before, so even if I worked for two hours before
> 21:00 I wouldn't be paid for them, and even if I finished
> at 03:00 I'd have to stay until 05:00. Sometimes when the
> swipe machine stops working and you have good security on
> you can leave early, but you don't know before hand if
> the machines are going to be faulty.

So your contract could be changed so that the hours listed for your work 
are 1 hour earlier in the winter.


> Yes, one hour difference isn't much of a difference but
> for most people work won't allow then to alter their work
> pattern by one hour, all well and good saying work from
> 08:00 until 16:00 but pointless when work only allows you
> to work 09:00 - 17:00
> > > > Think about it; what did people do before clocks
> > > > were invented..? They got up when the sun rose and
> > > > went to bed when it set.
> > >
> > > But clocks have been invented, and one or two people
> > > aren't going to be able to change their working
> > > pattern, maybe for those who have flex-time maybe, bt
> > > for those in a 09:00 - 17:00 job, I'm sure their boss
> > > is going to be happy if the come in at a different
> > > time, the place may not even be open.
> >
> > So change working hours.
>
> Pointless remark, if your place of work only allows you
> to work 09:00 - 17:00 you ain't going to be able to work
> 08:00 - 16:00

Your workplace wouldn't have a choice. It would be imposed by government 
in the same way you are told you must change your clocks.

> > > Do you think my kids school is going to allow my kids
> > > to turn up and start school work at 07:50 ?  Come on
> > > keep it real!
> >
> > It is real. Instead of the government saying change the
> > clocks twice a year, they could just say change working
> > hours instead.
> > >
> > > That is just a crazy thing to say, and pointless
> > > thing to say.
> >
> > It's no crazier than adjusting every clock in the
> > country twice a year.
>
> The rest of Europe change their clocks at the same time
> also, so it's not just this country that is crazy.

They don't have to any more than we have to.

> Yes it would be nice for people to be able to alter their
> hours, but that's not going to happen, so changing the
> clocks is the best method.

I don't agree.

> Can you really see a business for example advertising
> their hours as maybe 08:00, maybe 08:30 maybe 09:00,
> maybe 09:30 until maybe 16:00, maybe 16:30, maybe 17:00
> all depends on when workers come in to work.
> There does need to be some set hours of business for many
> businesses if they can't run 24/7.

So set them to one hour earlier start/finish in the winter.

Ivor