From: Derek Geldard 
Newsgroups: uk.legal uk.finance
Subject: Re: O/T: Advice on negotiating salaries & IP exclusivity
Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:10:47 +0100
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 22:00:17 +0100, PeteM  wrote:

>Agreed. The only rational attitude is to take the job on the basis that
>"The money's poor, but once I've learnt the basics then either they
>boost me up or I go elsewhere". Very likely it will have to be the
>latter, but that's probably no bad thing. 

But once you have been appointed and "set on" the ratchet will have
clicked. You will have moved away from negotiating with the department
that appointed you (Personnel ?) , to negotiating with your line
manager. In a big organisation he *will* say he has no control over
salaries.

Any vague promises or implications personnel offerred to attract
applications will vanish over the rear horizon quicker than you can
say "Knife".

I was appointed as a new graduate by BBC Television in 1969. They said
if I take over the post of an existing experienced member of staff my
salary would be upgraded to reflect this. Well, that is what happened
I was drafted into a corner doing a job that was being done by a 60
year old suffering from dementia, after I arrived I did the work and
he just sat there saying "Where's my pipe ? Some bugger's gone off
with that". At age 58 he was promoted to the next grade up just to
enhance his upcoming pension even though he was Ga-Ga and I with an up
to date degree was doing his work. 

When I asked them to deliver on their promise on the salary issue they
said it would be very difficult, it's kind of awkward, it doesn't
happen very often, it has to be special, nay extraordinary ...

Yada, Yada ,Yada

To cut a long story short, now I don't see any other reason for
working if it's not to get paid. Promises that you will earn more in
the future should be taken in the same light as promises to give you
money in the future (But not right now.  LOL)

DG