From: Ronald Raygun 
Subject: Re: Times: Fraud victims left in the lurch by banks
Newsgroups: uk.finance
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:09:39 GMT

john boyle wrote:

> No. They wont have the card anymore. The story is quite different from
> the OP in which they still had the cards. If the card is nicked it puts
> a different spin on the story.

OK, so what do you want people to do?  If they know they're going to be
given a hard time by the bank if they say "my card must have been cloned",
they'll just throw their card on the fire and say it's been stolen.

> The majority of card fraud is cloning.

Then, if it's the chip which provides the clone-proofing, why push C&P
so aggressively when C&S solves that particular problem?

>>And the reports *do* relate to C&P technology.  Although the technology
>>itself wasn't compromised, the fact that it existed was used by the bank
>>to deny the possibility of the victim being innocent.
> 
> Yes. A stupid mistake.

Makes no difference whether I'm the victim of fraud or of a mistake,
I'm still a victim.