From: john boyle 
Newsgroups: uk.finance uk.legal
Subject: Re: Chip and pin fraud.
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:19:22 +0100

In message , Chris Street 
 writes

>Point being is if the card is cloned it then becomes easy to duplicate the
>PIN -

For non C&P this is true. But for C&P cards the ability to clone is 
reduced very substantially indeed. In fact this is the very purpose of 
their introduction. In uk.finance & uk.legal many people think that a 
C&P card can be cloned by striping. Over the last year or so I think the 
replies in those groups have proven that this aint so.

>harder to duplicate the signature without a specimin.

This is complete rubbish. If you have cloned any card, C&P or otherwise, 
once you have the blank cloned card in your possession you can write any 
old signature you like on it, and you will get away with it just so long 
as you can reproduce it. So you could write your own sig on it and it 
would be OK to the retailer because the sig on the sales slip would 
match the one on the card. Duh!

-- 
John Boyle