From: "Tim" 
Newsgroups: uk.finance
Subject: Re: PIN crap.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:58:49 +0000 (UTC)

"tim" wrote
> There will doubtless be many genuine idiots each day
> who have forgotten their pin, brought the wrong card
> with them (whatever) and Mr Sainsbury will get pretty
> p-eed off at having to put a trolly load of shopping
> back on the shelf just to uphold some principle.

Isn't that just where commercial principles would likely cause Mr.Sainsbury,
rather than refusing the sale, instead to simply to take the liability for
possible fraudulent use & accept the card with signature?  Which is where we
started - won't the retailer be liable for loss due to fraud if a signature
is taken instead of PIN?